quoted $5000 - is this for real?

[133]

Hello guys, I hope its ok to start a thread about this. i'm new here, lol. Anyway, I had printed off a quote form and faxed it into ESP and the price they gave me seems a little crazy. I requested a quote on a EC-1000 with pretty much standard equipment, no custom graphics or extras. the only custom touch was it being left-handed and a neck-thru and i had the fretboard in ebony, black hardware and vintage black finish. the price came to $5250, is that correct? i've seen standard EC-1000s on eBAY for around $1200, so I was taken back by this price.

Does the neck-thru and ebony jack up the price that much? I'm looking for my first guitar so I'm not an aficionado. thanks for your time

[frantik]

My dealer said to take the quoted price and times it by .8 and thats what (at most places) you will pay.

[Scott]

There is no "standard EC-1000". The EC-1000 is an LTD, and you got a quote for a Custom Shop ESP.

[133]

There is no "standard EC-1000". The EC-1000 is an LTD, and you got a quote for a Custom Shop ESP.

i meant standard as in what ESP puts on a guitar, kinda like a base model car from Chevy. i guess chose the wrong words, lol. thanks

[Scott]

Then you need to call it ESP Eclipse, and not EC-1000. ;)

[Det Brinnande Röda]

Yup.. and I guess you wanted abalone binding too, like the EC 1k? As said.. it's ESP custom, the quality will be top notch when it comes to everything.. abalone, wood and so on. Of course it will boost the price.

[Kincade]

i've seen standard EC-1000s on eBAY for around $1200, so I was taken back by this price.

Does the neck-thru and ebony jack up the price that much? I'm looking for my first guitar so I'm not an aficionado. thanks for your time

That's because an EC-1000 is a factory made, asembly line guitar made in Korea. When you put in a quote to the ESP custom shop, you're getting a hand put together guitar with the highest quality of everything you asked for. There's no way you should be comparing an EC-1000 to a custom shop Eclipse. Way different leagues.

[133]

That's because an EC-1000 is a factory made, asembly line guitar made in Korea. When you put in a quote to the ESP custom shop, you're getting a hand put together guitar with the highest quality of everything you asked for. There's no way you should be comparing an EC-1000 to a custom shop Eclipse. Way different leagues.

thanks for clearing things up. like i said, i'm new to this. i had no idea that the custom shop guitars were such a higher quality than the factory guitars. i thought they were the same materials but you get to throw your own touch into it. sorry for my ignorance and thanks for the help.

[Kincade]

thanks for clearing things up. like i said, i'm new to this. i had no idea that the custom shop guitars were such a higher quality than the factory guitars. i thought they were the same materials but you get to throw your own touch into it. sorry for my ignorance and thanks for the help.

No problem. The only way you could do that is if you're an ESP dealer who has a little cache, and can get a couple changes made. It's usually limited to only paint, hardware, and pickup changes at that. Not neck construction and wood.

[ESPManiac]

not true...Pharaoh got a MIIUC in Mahog...and Shanes newest BMF custom is going to be an ash topped horizon...and i forgot the other SS batch that Pharaoh had organised before his departure

so, you can change woods...just got have some pull

[milky]

I wouldnt doubt it. I got my custom order in before the price increase and it was over $4k even then. granted the paintjob I am getting probably added alot to the price. otherwise its just a 2 hum horizon with a reverse headstock.

[Pushead]

not true...Pharaoh got a MIIUC in Mahog...and Shanes newest BMF custom is going to be an ash topped horizon...and i forgot the other SS batch that Pharaoh had organised before his departure

so, you can change woods...just got have some pull

Yeah, he also got a few of the "Non-US" exports sent over here (BKAQ Horizons and a white Ninja).

Talk to Jason at Drumcity Guitarland. He's done a lot of people on the board well. Pharaoh was another good one, but he got another job.

[Aladdinsane75]

Don't forget that the dollar is dropping like it has lead weights attached to it as well. So that probably also played a role in the quote you received.

[Adio stack]

Does the neck-thru and ebony jack up the price that much? I'm looking for my first guitar so I'm not an aficionado. thanks for your time


wait this is gonna be your first guitar and your already thinkin going custom? are you shur your gonna stick with it enough to make it worth it?

[B1ackD3at4]

wait this is gonna be your first guitar and your already thinkin going custom? are you shur your gonna stick with it enough to make it worth it?

I'd have to agree. If this is your first guitar I would probably start with something cheaper and get use to it and see if it's something you really want to do. But hey, if you got the money and really want it, I'm not gonna stop ya.

[gab4554]

lol are you fking kidding get an ESP custom as first guitar... Id say 50% of people playing in band doesnt have their own custom guitar (they still have good standard guitars depands of what they play or want as guitar).
getting a custom shop ESP is serious dude. You should start with a low kit (like 250 $ for guitar and amp kit.)

[chevy Z 302]

:rollin

gentlemen, its begun


:rollin:rollin:lol

[Brono]

if his loaded then why not. But if your not made of money, dont get a custom shop for your 1st guitar imo.

[Kincade]

not true...Pharaoh got a MIIUC in Mahog...and Shanes newest BMF custom is going to be an ash topped horizon...and i forgot the other SS batch that Pharaoh had organised before his departure

so, you can change woods...just got have some pull

That's why I said the word "usually" before hand. Those two are a tad different then say, my dealer two towns over who stocks 5 LTD models.

[sp1keNARF]

i wouldn't get a custom for your first guitar man. there's a pretty long waiting list to get a custom. just go buy something. plus, having not played guitar before, how do you know which woods, etc. you prefer?

[Det Brinnande Röda]

i wouldn't get a custom for your first guitar man. there's a pretty long waiting list to get a custom. just go buy something. plus, having not played guitar before, how do you know which woods, etc. you prefer?

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[Sirkenzington]

Most esp's (read: non-LTD's) can be ordered lefthanded, so I'd just get an eclipse-II VB
which has vintage black finish, set neck and an ebony fretboard.
Afterwards you can still change the hardware to black if you want to.

[Sidivan]

Seriously, you don't want to go Custom for your first guitar.

I wish I would've waited another year or two before I got my 2001 Custom. I had only been playing for 2 years (albeit 7hrs a day) and now that I have, it's a dream machine, but not 100% what I would like it to be. See, it's what I THOUGHT I wanted as a newb player, but not what I actually wanted now that I'm a bit more experienced.

For that reason alone, I wouldn't go custom. You don't have any idea what fretboard radius you want, what neck shape, what fret wire, nut material, wood, tuners, bridge setup, knob placement, scale length, or the hundreds of other decisions you need to make when getting a custom.

[BlowitUp]

yeah but at the same time, i dont think anybody should start out with a 250$ kit, you will sound so terrible that you will get discouraged. not to mention shitty guitars are harder to play and set up and keep in tune, i'd say hit up craigslist or something, find somebody selling and american strat near you. it'd start you off on the right scale 25.5 or 25, and then a used avt marshall or something, youll be able to sound decent and play well, you wont get discouraged... look to drop 900 total including cables and shit for a starter guitar... i wouldnt even bother with those 250$ kits, you will never get any of your money back, and if you bought that equipment used, if you dont like it you can sell it back for the same price, as used avt50 marshall and a american start will not lose value... you'd essentially be saving yourself 250$ in the long run bro, and you'd have something good to play on... leave it to the guy with the finance/accounting degrees to turn guitars into money and future investment, haha

[gab4554]

well I started to play guitar with a 250$ kit (Copy of Strat from Peavy). Of course it sounds like crap but when you start you dont know if youll like it so why bothering yourself to get a 5000$ and when you start you dont know anythign about guitars so you dont know what kind of PU you want, shape, wood etc.

[JUSTICE]

Would anyone know where i can find a replacement kh2 bolt on neck?

[Det Brinnande Röda]

In the end all comes down to your personal budget. If your loaded, then at least get a decent guitar and amp, cause fact is they play better and stays in tune better etc...

If you're on a tight budget then at least try to save up and get for example a nice ltd, ltd's are killer starter guitars, even the lower series (imo)!

[Khali]

You can get an EC/Viper-50 left handed. :p

Frankly, its not all shitty, if any guitar is setup properly, you came make it gold...to as far as it'll go. Which should be enough for you, until you want a more expensive guitar.

[chevy Z 302]

yea and vipercustom or whatever can make it teh neck thru so it doesnt suck anymore



:rollin

[Sidivan]

yea and vipercustom or whatever can make it teh neck thru so it doesnt suck anymore



:rollin

I Lol'd.

[Sand]

yea and vipercustom or whatever can make it teh neck thru so it doesnt suck anymore



:rollin

Crap I remember that thread |I. What an idiot.

[133]

thanks to everyone that put in their 2 cents. being that i'm left handed and the market for left handed guitars suck, i sent in the quote form for a left handed guitar not knowing they'd quote me the price they did. i thought it would be a couple grand at least. if i shouldn't go with at custom guitar as a first guitar, what do you guys suggest? i don't want to switch to playing right handed, i've held a guitar both ways and lefty is more comfortable. thanks

[Det Brinnande Röda]

Maybe a 400 series ltd! Those guitars rock for the buck! You won't be dissapointed.. I don't know exactly which guitars are availible left handed though.. but someone else will surely be able to suggest a bunch! Good luck dude!

[InVinoVeritasXXX]

it'd start you off on the right scale 25.5 or 25,
How is this the 'right' scale? Do you have something against the noble 24.75 in scale?

Yeah, OP, go with the EC 400 or 1000 if you're just starting out. Under a thousand bucks and if you consider the not-inconsiderable amount of sighting some musician playing an LTD an indication of quality, there's that.Then once you're more in need of a more personalized instrument, you'll have a better idea of what you want. One thing I'm not sure of though is how the cap on the ESP Eclipse compares to the one on some of the EC-1000s and the 400vfs.

[deftoneskidd]

yeah but at the same time, i dont think anybody should start out with a 250$ kit, you will sound so terrible that you will get discouraged. not to mention shitty guitars are harder to play and set up and keep in tune, i'd say hit up craigslist or something, find somebody selling and american strat near you. it'd start you off on the right scale 25.5 or 25, and then a used avt marshall or something, youll be able to sound decent and play well, you wont get discouraged... look to drop 900 total including cables and shit for a starter guitar... i wouldnt even bother with those 250$ kits, you will never get any of your money back, and if you bought that equipment used, if you dont like it you can sell it back for the same price, as used avt50 marshall and a american start will not lose value... you'd essentially be saving yourself 250$ in the long run bro, and you'd have something good to play on... leave it to the guy with the finance/accounting degrees to turn guitars into money and future investment, haha

this is good advice... at least if you decide guitar is not for you, you won't lose much (if any) money on reselling it.. if you decide you like it, you have a great rig that will last you longer than the $250 kit will and you won't have to buy new gear in 6 months..

i do have a friend who got a les paul standard for his very first guitar.. dick... his dad is an orthodontist.. i had a fernandes strat-copy.. suck! my dad is not an orthodontist..

...and after re-reading this thread i don't think he was considering a custom anymore after the price he received on the quote...

[133]

i could go with a right-handed guitar and restring it?

[The Pain Train]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/left-handed-electric-guitars?N=100001+306248

[Json]

i could go with a right-handed guitar and restring it?

You could, but that means you'd have to put on a new nut.

[espdood]

i could go with a right-handed guitar and restring it?

Yeah, not a good idea, your arm might hit some controls, but somehow it didn't bother Hendrix.

About the comfort thing. When I first started out, I was left handed and I strung an acoustic guitar left handed to start playing, because it was most comfortable. My guitar teacher told me to switch to right, since it'll be easier on everything (buying a guitar..etc..) so I did that. Although it took a while, I'm most comfortable with playing right handed and I could never go back to playing left handed again.

I've been playing for 16 years now, and no problems. Another advantage of having a lefty playing right handed is that you can bend the strings easier and press down on chords better when you're starting out. You don't have to follow my advice, but that's my experience.

[133]

Sam Ash Music has the left handed EC-1000VB which kinda sucks 'cause i have guitar center players card. doh!