Alexi Laiho ESP and Alexi-600

[CFaOKeBPuNk]

What's the difference between these two?

Alexi ESP says:

Construction / Scale - Thru Body / 25.5”
Body - Alder
Neck / Fingerboard - 3-Pc. Maple / Ebony
Nut Type / Width - FR Locking / 42mm
Neck Shape - Thin U
Inlays - Sawteeth
Frets - 24 XJ
Binding - White (N/H)
Hardware - Black
Tuners - Gotoh
Bridge / Tailpiece - Floyd Rose
Pickups - EMG HZ H-4
Electronics - 1 Volume PRICE: 1,986$



Alexi's - 600:

Construction / Scale - Neck-Thru Body / 25.5”
Body - Alder
Neck / Fingerboard - 3-Pc. Maple / Ebony
Nut Type / Width - Locking / 42mm
Neck Shape - Thin U
Inlays - Sawteeth
Frets - 24 XJ
Binding - White (N/H)
Hardware - Black
Tuners - Grover
Bridge / Tailpiece - Floyd Rose
Pickups - EMG HZ H-4
Electronics - 1 Volume PRICE: 1,123 $


The only difference i see with these two are, Alexi ESP tuners is Gotoh and Alexi's 600 tuners is grover.

Is there really a difference with these two tuners? Is this the reason why the price is much higher for Alexi's esp?

Other difference i saw was, Nut Type on ALexi's ESP is FR Locking while the 600 is only Locking.....What is FR?

So is it really worth getting the Alexi's esp at 1900$? Or should i just go with Alexi-600 at 1100$?

Does these two little differences really makes it worth bying alexis ESP instead? Wich could be better....

Wich guitar would be the best? Anyone of you have those guitars?

[stevako]

There is noticeable playability difference between ltd's and esp . I have noticed it in the eclipse guitars big time.

[CFaOKeBPuNk]

There is noticeable playability difference between ltd's and esp . I have noticed it in the eclipse guitars big time.


I see, so wich one would you recommend me :confused:

Also do you know the difference between gotoh/groove tuners

[Bridge The Void]

Whenever money is not an issue, always go ESP. LTD's are good functional tools, but ESP's are real insruments.

[stevako]

I am a firm believe in those locking tuners. If you have a non trem system they are the way to go. I have the Gotoh Magnum Lock on one of the eclipse models and the sperzel on the other. I like them both. I couldn't see buying a Les Paul with those shitty ass tuners that come standard they can't stay in tune for shit.

[Shamino]

No offense to the members here, but by saying "LTD? Get a REAL instrument" when the only difference is a different set of tuners and locking nut (which could probably be bought aftermarket and still save hundreds) is just pure snobbery. How about you just give the guy actual reasons and statistics other than "It just FEELS better." if its the same materials and they're both factory made- why pay $800 more? Give the guy an actual answer, guys.

[MikeC]

I beleive ESP's are hand made. And yes there is a difference in the playability.
Theres your 'real' reason..

[thislegendforever]

I've played the ESP Alexi and I own an Alexi-600. There isn't thaaaat much of a difference, really. I found the neck was slightly faster to rip down in the ESP model, but that's just me. Tuners and little shit aside.

I read that ESPs are produced start to finish by a single person whereas LTDs are assembly line. MOD, correct me if I'm wrong with that. Which is why there is a difference in price. Just cause they're not the absolute top of the line doesn't mean it's garbage.

[NevermoreMan90]

No offense to the members here, but by saying "LTD? Get a REAL instrument" when the only difference is a different set of tuners and locking nut (which could probably be bought aftermarket and still save hundreds) is just pure snobbery. How about you just give the guy actual reasons and statistics other than "It just FEELS better." if its the same materials and they're both factory made- why pay $800 more? Give the guy an actual answer, guys. They are giving actual answers. The differance between the two are the craftsmanship and the playability. That is what everyone is trying to emphisize; ESP is far superior when it comes down to it. Don't get me wrong, LTD's are great, but still not matched to ESP. With that said, I suggest to the poster to go with the ESP if not on budget, and are looking for a high quality instrument, but the LTD would be great as well if you can't swing the money to get the ESP. You'd just be sacrificing on overall quality. Hope this helps.

[N3rdAl3rt]

if money is a problem i say get an edwards, if not, still get a japanese alexi, the shapes better imo, and the stripes

[Blake]

No offense to the members here, but by saying "LTD? Get a REAL instrument" when the only difference is a different set of tuners and locking nut (which could probably be bought aftermarket and still save hundreds) is just pure snobbery. How about you just give the guy actual reasons and statistics other than "It just FEELS better." if its the same materials and they're both factory made- why pay $800 more? Give the guy an actual answer, guys.

Sounds like you've never played an LTD and an ESP side by side.

[5150-Viper]

i have played and owned both, the ESP are better guitars.. i notice it most in the fretjob. however, there not going to make you a better guitarist. I still play my viper 400 to this day, and i bet i can get just as good as a tone and shred just as hard as someone playing a ESP. Eitheway id still go for the ESP if you can swing it.. If not the LTD will play great.

[Guitarguyemg81]

The Ltd and ESP Laiho's pretty much have the same specs. However, the wood used for the ESP version will be higher quality than the wood for the Ltd. Other parts like wires, screws, pots, etc. will be better on the ESP. Build quality will be better on the ESP. Therefore, the ESP will play and sound better than the Ltd. I don't like Ltd's at all. Why pay 1K for an Ltd when you can get a used ESP for $600 on ebay?

[flakelorenz]

Some people prefer the LTD version for some reason, but the ESP version will be way better quality even if you don't like the sound

[sp1keNARF]

there's absolutely no difference. they just arbitrarily charge 1,000$ more for the esp.

[Metalmilitia306]

i say u should get the japanese alexi. unless u like the american body.

[espdood]

there's absolutely no difference. they just arbitrarily charge 1,000$ more for the esp.

I say there is. I was appalled by the LTD al-600 version I got. The ebony didn't feel like ebony for some reason, it was too glossy..but I'm sure they have their reasons of glossing up the ebony big time..perhaps to keep the ebony from cracking? Anyways, the fretjob was done a bit sloppy, the pin stripes on the body looked like it was stickered on. Main thing was the sloppy fretjob. I returned it, because I truly believe a $1049 guitar should not be built like this. I'd save up the extra and get an ESP version, if you care more about the attention and detail they put in the guitar and having excellent quality using better materials. I had no problems with buying Japanese ESP's. My ESP vintage plus was perfect.

[MikeC]

there's absolutely no difference. they just arbitrarily charge 1,000$ more for the esp.

No, not at all. Have you took the time to play an ESP and an LTD side by side? If you can't notice the difference then so be it, but the differences are deffinatly there. The all around quality of the ESP will be much better then the LTD for sure. Like said before, the pots and wiring ect. will be much better. Also, the wood is alot higher quality on the ESP then the wood used for the LTD. Also, the ESP's are hand made instruments done to all around perfection. The ESP is deffinatly worth the extra cash if you can afford it. Your best bets to go to an ESP dealer and play and ESP and an LTD side by side, it would be alot better than having sp1keNARF be the judge.

[eveningninja]

^ Dude do you guys understand sarcasm? Yes, it's an online forum, but I would think you'd use your sense and realize he was joking.

[MikeC]

^ Dude do you guys understand sarcasm? Yes, it's an online forum, but I would think you'd use your sense and realize he was joking.

Everything that is said on the internet isn't considered sarcasm. I'm not saying he wasn't joking, but there's a number of people who really think you're only paying for the name on the headstock:rolleyes:

[eveningninja]

Everything that is said on the internet isn't considered sarcasm.

In that case, I rammed your mom's ass last night. Oh snap, it must be true!

[MikeC]

Dude, just because it's writen on the internet dosn't mean it's sarcasm. If that's the way you think about everything than I guess me calling you a fucking dumbass would be taken sacrastically?
I didn't say he wasn't being sarcastic if you read carefully the first time I quoted your post. Btw, I ment that in a non-sarcastic way incase you couldn't figure it out by yourself.:rolleyes:

[eveningninja]

All I was doing was arguing against your statement that sarcasm cannot exist within an online forum. I never said that everything written on the Internet is sarcasm. Think a little bit before you put words into someone's mouth.

I didn't say he wasn't being sarcastic if you read carefully the first time I quoted your post.

That's exactly my point, because he clearly was. Anyway, I've made my statement, and there's no point in arguing with you since you clearly can't read my words correctly.

[sp1keNARF]

you guys crack me up :lol

[MikeC]

All I was doing was arguing against your statement that sarcasm cannot exist within an online forum. I never said that everything written on the Internet is sarcasm. Think a little bit before you put words into someone's mouth.



That's exactly my point, because he clearly was. Anyway, I've made my statement, and there's no point in arguing with you since you clearly can't read my words correctly.

:lol
How would that be considered as me putting words in your mouth?
I said something because he showed no sign of him being sacrastic. Ussually you'd see a :lol or something at the beginning or end of the post stating that it was said in sarcasm. Unfortunatly, I couldn't tell wether he was being sarcastic or not with the way he put his post. I guess me not being sure can give you another reason to bitch to me too huh?:rolleyes:
It's not that I can't read your words correctly either. It's that I made a simple post stating that there was a big difference between quality of LTD's and ESP guitars, and my statement still stands.
Yet, I'm the one putting words in your mouth, right? Douche. :p

Now we can stop arguing.
After all, I might not be able to read your next post. :D

[Gfunk]

I couldn't tell wether he was being sarcastic or not with the way he put his post.



You must ride the short bus.





:lol

[MikeC]

You must ride the short bus.





:lol

Not often:lol

[DixSerina]

No offense to the members here, but by saying "LTD? Get a REAL instrument" when the only difference is a different set of tuners and locking nut (which could probably be bought aftermarket and still save hundreds) is just pure snobbery. How about you just give the guy actual reasons and statistics other than "It just FEELS better." if its the same materials and they're both factory made- why pay $800 more? Give the guy an actual answer, guys.


Sorry, you're right.

What everyone in this thread really meant to say was they're exactly the same thing except the ESP is more. Dip.

[espdood]

Sorry, you're right.

What everyone in this thread really meant to say was they're exactly the same thing except the ESP is more. Dip.

Yes, if you can't afford the ESP version and don't mind maybe a few flaws here and there..(some may come perfect if you're lucky) from an LTD. Then get the LTD. If you can wait and want to save up for a much better quality..get the ESP. Simple as that!

[DixSerina]

:lol

[espdood]

:lol

LOL thanks for the cliffnotes!

[the_emptier]

i dont feel like reading all the posts.

but i have the alexi-600 and it's a great instrument. really great for the price, amazing sound etc. etc. but the real difference besides the tuners and whatever. is that the LTD has a painted neck (susectable to becoming sticky, but i have had no qualms as of yet) and the quality of the actual instrument. my input jack become loose a couple months after i got it, and the holes where the screws go in are not amazingly well done, but really this isn't that big of a deal IMO

[brianhaaake]

idk what everyone else sai dbc i didnt read it all. but yeah there is a difference your esp comes from japan. made with better craftsmenship

im pretty sure ltd comes from korea or something and it is probably made 12 yr old slaves that are starving.
jk but yeah theres a big difference in quality between the esp and ltd.

dude just get and Edwards Scythe.

its perfect and its a bit cheaper then the Ltd alexi 600.
go on ebay a couple stores are selling them just types in edwards guitars and you will find some.

i just got a scythe and its amazing and the best guitar i have ever played

[P.D.]

Whenever money is not an issue, always go ESP. LTD's are good functional tools, but ESP's are real insruments.

and LTD are also real instruments. should they be fake or what??



CFaOKeBPuNK: FR is Floyd Rose.... daaahhh

[espdood]

and LTD are also real instruments. should they be fake or what??



CFaOKeBPuNK: FR is Floyd Rose.... daaahhh

Fake meaning cheaper versions of the expensive models? The LTD's are great for the money, but when it comes down to the quality..ESP owns!

[capoeiraesp]

[QUOTE=the_emptier;123654]

is that the LTD has a painted neck (susectable to becoming sticky, but i have had no qualms as of yet)

I don't understand how a colour undercoat with a clear gloss finish can be 'susceptible' to becoming sticky any more than a plain clear gloss finish.