KH-20 - And Pictures For All!

[JKD]

I can't thank Zao enough for this. Again! :D

Sorry for the odd shots...had to run through doing this on my way to work:

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[db never]

B A D A S S :hat

[Rich5150]

Nice congrats its a killer lookin guitar. Wish I had the coin for something like that

[Spoonylove90]

congrats dude! that looks like a killer top.

[Ohms and Waltzes]

Good lord...suhweet.

[Armitage]

Beautiful guitar... I just can't get my head around the price...

[frantic77]

congas!take care of it!

[tonyjh3]

Looks awesome man, now you just need a stand worthy of that
guitar:lol:lol

[JKD]

Looks awesome man, now you just need a stand worthy of that
guitar:lol:lol

Showing it's age is that one eh? Stand must be 8 years old...

The thing is glass-case worthy but that's a shameful thing to do to a guitar, no matter what the cost :D

[FarBeyondDriven]

awesome man, congrats!
i love KH-20's but they're expensive as hell

[failsafe306]

Wow sir, you have some serious toy cash! I'm envious. I like the 20's though.

[FarBeyondDriven]

is the KH-20 worth the money?

[JKD]

is the KH-20 worth the money?

It's got lots of nice touches to it that you'd expect of a limited edition, collectors guitar but does that make it truly worth 3x the price of the equivalent KH-2 NTB...absolutely not

No collectors guitar truly is in terms of playability and sound of the guitar...why would the KH-20 be any different?

As a rare, exquisitely appointed collectable item that also happens to be a great sounding and playing guitar....well, it's the value of being 1 in 20 (or 40 or whatever it is) isn't it?

[failsafe306]

How thick is the maple cap? It almost just looks like a veneer.

[JKD]

How thick is the maple cap? It almost just looks like a veneer.

This thick :

http://homepage.mac.com/jkd_steve/images/KH20/100_0199.jpg

[monty]

Those inlays are pure evil. Love em!

[murdock73]

...Hey Man!!!.....Welcome to KH-20's club ...!!!....
Congrat!!!!
:hat

[ice7400]

Welcome to Fanboi Club dude..


:hat:hat:hat

[smashandgrab1forme]

This thick :

http://homepage.mac.com/jkd_steve/images/KH20/100_0199.jpg

looks like $10,000 worth of pine. The grain makes it look alot like pine :lol

[CyVy_84]

yeah congas. great geetah man.

[sean106OCD]

Congas man, looks sweet. I miss mine as usual :(

[murdock73]

Congas man, looks sweet. I miss mine as usual :(

:rollin

thanks my friend.....mio amico!!!!
;)

[Butch]

Fucking killer dude! My favourite guitar ever! Congrats on this one dude1!!!

[JKD]

looks like $10,000 worth of pine. The grain makes it look alot like pine :lol

Feels heavy is all I can say..dunno if it's the maple cap or what but it's heavier than my regular KH-2 bolt-on....I'm a gonna guess it'as alder like that though.

[takesnogutz666]

nice guitar. although, my friends m-100fm has a nicer looking flame, no lie.

[smashandgrab1forme]

nice guitar. although, my friends m-100fm has a nicer looking flame, no lie.

pics, or it has not and will not happen 8o

[takesnogutz666]

most certainly. if i didnt know any better id say it were a custom guitar.

[JKD]

nice guitar. although, my friends m-100fm has a nicer looking flame, no lie.

Flames can be hit or miss, it's true....post some pics..I love da flame :D

KH20 #21 (I think) has the most gorgeous book match flame

[takesnogutz666]

sure, i just need his camera since i dont have my own. im not trying to bash esp or the kh-20 but for such a high dollar guitar and how limited the quantity is, i think they should make all the tops like #21.

[nameless]

nice guitar. although, my friends m-100fm has a nicer looking flame, no lie.

:rollin:rollin:rollin

0]

Sweet guitar dude. That ebony almost looks like glass! Awesome!

[Fordman65]

sure, i just need his camera since i dont have my own. im not trying to bash esp or the kh-20 but for such a high dollar guitar and how limited the quantity is, i think they should make all the tops like #21.


You do realize that it's a vaneer right and not a real maple top that the LTD has? If it's not real it's pretty easy to make those look really really nice. The real deal is much harder to find good wood.

[takesnogutz666]

yes, i realize its a veneer... and that it probably costs $10 to make... regardless of the kh-20 having a cap, its a custom shop guitar, and a collectable at that so it should have a ridiculous flame. but either way, the kh-20 is a beautiful guitar and i wish esp would make a guitar at least similar to it so i dont need to sell my house to obtain one.

[smashandgrab1forme]

nice guitar. although, my friends m-100fm has a nicer looking flame, no lie.

Bump for photos

[MattallicA]

Those inlays are pure evil. Love em!

I know, makes the skull/cross bones on mine look like a puss!

[dayday]

http://homepage.mac.com/jkd_steve/images/KH20/100_0193.jpg




WTF is the point of Sperzles When You Have A Floyd?:confused:

Not to sound Like a smart ass or anything just curious :cool:

[jibe]

WTF is the point of Sperzles When You Have A Floyd?:confused:


It's a bit faster to change the strings I guess.

[dayday]

It's a bit faster to change the strings I guess.


I dont know.

I played a guitar with sperzels its actually my buddy's LTD Eclipse Deluxe.

great guitar. and i can see the tuning stability and all that in it but its a stop tail guitar and having locking tuners is great for that


all my guitars are floyd equipped ive just never saw the point for locking tuners when you have a locking nut and tremolo plus the fact that you have fine tuners on the bridge to me its just one more pain in the ass:lol

If there is a purpose to it..
awesome!
if its just to boost the price of an already expensive signature guitar its a tad bit overkill IMO A nice set of Grovers Or Shallers would be nice

Other than that the KH-20 is sweet:hat

[Blazer]

yeah sperzels are overkill and no kh sig has ever had them until now? you think they would have used some gotohs.. The best thing about the 20th imo is the ebony board - it looks hot:eek: makes me wish there was a black MII with an ebony but there isn't. LAME

[Butch]

In case the nut gets a little loose i guess.

[takesnogutz666]

yeah why cant esp make a version of an m-II with a stblk flame top and an ebony board. it would be essentially taking the horizon, making it a flat top, instead of a quilt put a flame on it, and reverse the headstock. or better yet.. make it red.

[Guitarslingerans]

I dont know.

I played a guitar with sperzels its actually my buddy's LTD Eclipse Deluxe.

great guitar. and i can see the tuning stability and all that in it but its a stop tail guitar and having locking tuners is great for that


all my guitars are floyd equipped ive just never saw the point for locking tuners when you have a locking nut and tremolo plus the fact that you have fine tuners on the bridge to me its just one more pain in the ass:lol

If there is a purpose to it..
awesome!
if its just to boost the price of an already expensive signature guitar its a tad bit overkill IMO A nice set of Grovers Or Shallers would be nice

Other than that the KH-20 is sweet:hat

In case the nut gets a little loose i guess.



wat?


Locking tuners have jack all to do with tuning stability, they are intended to make string changes easier/faster because you don't have to wind the string around the post multiple times. You simply pull the string taught, lock the string in by screwing in the post on the rear of the tuner, snip it off and tune it up.


-Ans-

[SYL]

Locking tuners have jack all to do with tuning stability

Not entirely true.

While one of the "features" they list is quicker string changes, they also affect tuning stability of the instrument.

The design (eliminating the wraps around the post) also prevents string slippage or a term they call "seating" when tuning, bending, or using the trem on guitars without a locking nut or locking tuners.

Here's some info I grabbed from a website that does a much better job at explaining shit than I do :lol

"The string is pulled much more taut than with a conventional tuner, as the goal is to have approximately ¼ to ½ wrap of the string on the tuner shaft when the string is tuned to pitch. More than ½ wrap can create the tuning instability problems associated with multiple string wraps."

"You will find that the strings require less “stretching” with locking tuners.
This is due to the fact that most of the “stretching” of the strings necessary with conventional tuners is actually “seating” the multiple string wraps."

Taken from here: http://www.specialtyguitars.com/sperzel.html

[moosemeister]

must be nice to have that kind of money laying around.

[dayday]

Not entirely true.

While one of the "features" they list is quicker string changes, they also affect tuning stability of the instrument.

The design (eliminating the wraps around the post) also prevents string slippage or a term they call "seating" when tuning, bending, or using the trem on guitars without a locking nut or locking tuners.

Here's some info I grabbed from a website that does a much better job at explaining shit than I do :lol

"The string is pulled much more taut than with a conventional tuner, as the goal is to have approximately ¼ to ½ wrap of the string on the tuner shaft when the string is tuned to pitch. More than ½ wrap can create the tuning instability problems associated with multiple string wraps."

"You will find that the strings require less “stretching” with locking tuners.
This is due to the fact that most of the “stretching” of the strings necessary with conventional tuners is actually “seating” the multiple string wraps."

Taken from here: http://www.specialtyguitars.com/sperzel.html

thanks that just reaffirms what i said about them being great for stoptail and non locking trem guitars but when you have a floyd equiped i guess all theyre good for is quicker string changes would you agree?

[SYL]

thanks that just reaffirms what i said about them being great for stoptail and non locking trem guitars but when you have a floyd equiped i guess all theyre good for is quicker string changes would you agree?

Quicker string changes is the only reason to have 'em on a guitar with a Floyd/locking nut. Even then, how much time do you REALLY save? It's not like wrapping the string around the post with a string winder takes 10 minutes a string or something.

[dayday]

Thank You:rollin:rollin:p

[jibe]

Quicker string changes is the only reason to have 'em on a guitar with a Floyd/locking nut. Even then, how much time do you REALLY save? It's not like wrapping the string around the post with a string winder takes 10 minutes a string or something.


Well obviously if you're not touring really it doesn't change anything...
But for the dudes like Kirk and/or James (or their guitar tech I should say...) when you have to change all the strings on 4 or 5 guitars before every gig... it does make a difference!!

[SYL]

Well obviously if you're not touring really it doesn't change anything...
But for the dudes like Kirk and/or James (or their guitar tech I should say...) when you have to change all the strings on 4 or 5 guitars before every gig... it does make a difference!!

Eh, maybe. But I don't really believe that it would be saving a tech any considerable amount of time if he was restringing 25 guitars with locking tuners vs. 25 guitars without locking tuners. As long as he/she has a string winder (what professional tech wouldn't?) it's a quick and easy process.

Compare the two processes...

Unlock the sperzel pin, feed string through, pull taught, lock the pin, tune to pitch, clip excess string.

VS.

Feed string through peg, wind with string winder, tune to pitch, clip excess string.

I don't see how a professional technician is saving a considerable amount of time with one as opposed to the other. I suppose if you don't have a string winder, or are just plain slow at doing things, I could see how the Sperzels would seem like they're saving a plethora of time.

If you know what you're doing it's going to take about the same amount of time. I have also heard/read some about people who claim that locking tuners have added a bit of excess weight to the top end of the guitar making them a bit neck heavy. Which for me anyway would out-weigh any potential convenience of having a locking tuner on a locking nut guitar.

Plus, factor in how many professional touring acts are out there that don't use any guitars with locking tuners. Doesn't really phase any decent technician.

Sperzels are definitely nice tuners. But I think much like the TonePros bridges, while they're convenient and nice designs, there's a lot of hype surrounding just how much of a difference they really make.

[jibe]

Compare the two processes...

Unlock the sperzel pin, feed string through, pull taught, lock the pin, tune to pitch, clip excess string.

VS.

Feed string through peg, wind with string winder, tune to pitch, clip excess string.

Even with a string winder,
"feeding the string through and locking the pin" is faster than "feeding the strings through and winding it"

Moreover you forgot the very first step which is removing the previous strings... and it's obviously faster with the sperzel as you don't have to unwind the strings.

But you're still right on the fact that you're not saving any considerable amount of time with those, that's for sure.