G-Major vs Xpression

[Matt Parsons]

The debate rages on and on...

G Major
-Advantages:
-- Has an amp relay switch so I can control amp channels
-- Cooler looking face plate
-- I will use it with the Rocktron MIDImate pedal
-- Internal power supply
- Disadvantages
-- Lots of reliability complaints
-- "Colors tone" in a bad way

Xpression
-Advantages
-- Cheaper on eBay
-- Doesn't color tone apparently
-- Less reliability issues
-Disadvantages
-- No amp relays, so..
-- I have to use the Behringer FCB1010 pedal
-- Chrome doesn't look nearly as cool.
-- Wall wart AC adapter

Which should I get? Or are these unfounded claims?

The reason the pedals are listed is because I need amp relay switches. The G Major and the Behringer unit have them. So I need one or the other.

Anyone with experience with both would be a very valuable help to creating this thread

[Blake]

I thought the clean w/chorus tone that people got with the Xpression was way better than the Gmajor. And everyone with a triaxis/2:90 rig has a Gmajor so I've decided I'm going to be different and go the Xpression.

Thats all I have to contribute, really. :lol

[Donting101]

Look at this mess, let me sort this out



G Major
Advantages:
-- Has an amp relay switch so I can control amp channels
-- Cooler looking face plate (IYO)
-- Can be used with any midi controller in the world
-- Internal power supply (So it powers itself by magic? Or do you mean it can directly spur off your power distributor via a 3 pin kettle lead?)

Disadvantages
-- Lots of reliability complaints
-- "Colors tone" in a bad way. (due to the poor AD/DA converters, as per most TC electronics products)


Xpression
-Advantages
-- Cheaper on eBay
-- Doesn't color tone apparently (it has better AD/DA converters, rocktron use some of the best on the market)
-- Less reliability issues (never heard of any reliability issues)
-- sounds better than the G-major

-Disadvantages
-- old style ‘digital clock’ display, not very attractive
-- No amp relays, so..
-- I have to use the Behringer FCB1010 pedal (no you don’t)
-- Chrome doesn't look nearly as cool. (IYO)
-- Wall wart AC adapter (not nessesarily)


You could try the rocktron Intelifex or Replifex – which are exactly the same effects processors inside as the Xpression, just with a new style chassis

Intelifex or Replifex
-Advantages
-- has a TRS relay to switch your amp channels
-- can be used with any midi controller
-- Cheaper on eBay (you can pick them up mint for $150/$200
-- Doesn't color tone (it has better AD/DA converters, rocktron use some of the best on the market)
-- Less reliability issues (never heard of any reliability issues)
-- black chassis, as (IYO) its better than chrome
-- sounds better than the G-major

-Disadvantages
-- old style ‘digital clock’ display, not very attractive


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[Scott]

Out of the two: Xpression if you like your amps tone in general and only want to add an effect to the tone. If you don't like your amps tone...well...

[martijua]

The G Majors I've owned do not color the tone.
If you can dial in the levels properly it will be very transparent.
I have it dialed in so good that you cant even tell its on!

It also helps that the FX loops that are in the amp are very good.

[Donting101]

The G Majors I've owned do not color the tone. thats an example of where the term tone deaf comes from :p

[gorsch]

thats an example of where the term tone deaf comes from :p

dude you've never even owned one.
Anyway, I've had both. I got rid of the Xpression for the G major and have never looked back. I had a long thing typed out but I know it'll just get bashed by poeple like this dude ^^^^^ that hasnt ever owned one before. So, the issues mentioned with the G major are easly resolved. Keep it in a rack and make sure the levels are are set correctly. I have absolutly NO tone colouration at all. My amp has an effects loop switch that completly bypasses the loop and I used that to test the difference. None, except my unruley preamp noise is gone with the g major becuase of the gate.

The rocktron is still good but you cant utilize all it's features without experiencing delays when switching presets.

Long story short from someone who has both, G major.

[Blake]

this delay between switching is worrying for me. Does anyone have a recorded example? Like a video demonstrating it? And how many features can it run before it starts 'lagging'?

[gorsch]

thats just what it does. When you scroll the knob from 1 preset to the next you hear a real slight pause. Enough to throw everyone off when I'd go for a lead boost on a solo. Plus it gets worse if 1 preset is set in Digital mode and the other is anolog. I tried speeding up the midi signal and that didnt work. It's the way it is.

Neither unit colors tone if set correctly.

[gorsch]

The debate rages on and on...

G Major
-Advantages:
-- Has an amp relay switch so I can control amp channels
-- Cooler looking face plate
-- I will use it with the Rocktron MIDImate pedal
-- Internal power supply
- Disadvantages
-- Lots of reliability complaints
-- "Colors tone" in a bad way

Xpression
-Advantages
-- Cheaper on eBay
-- Doesn't color tone apparently
-- Less reliability issues
-Disadvantages
-- No amp relays, so..
-- I have to use the Behringer FCB1010 pedal
-- Chrome doesn't look nearly as cool.
-- Wall wart AC adapter

Which should I get? Or are these unfounded claims?

The reason the pedals are listed is because I need amp relay switches. The G Major and the Behringer unit have them. So I need one or the other.

Anyone with experience with both would be a very valuable help to creating this thread

What rig you running it in, amp wise? And what else would you have in the rack if anything?

[Matt Parsons]

ENGL E530 preamp, VHT 2/90/2 stereo power amp into a stereo cabinet. Probably ENGL stereo cab if I can get everything sold in time.

I do appreciate the feedback from everyone. It does appear that the "tone coloration" reports might be from setting levels poorly, as clipping a digital input WILL give you bad sound.

I never even knew about the Intellifex. That's VERY intriguing, I might have to get one of those.

Donting -- The reason I said I'd have to get the Behringer controller is because its the only one I know of in the price range that has an amp relay to control my E530. I'm not buying the ENGL Midi interface and rackmount unit. Also, when I say internal power supply, I mean that it has a regular power cable like my amps do. At least according to MusiciansFriend pictures.

[Donting101]

EDIT: sorry i thought you were talking to me

What rig you running it in, amp wise? And what else would you have in the rack if anything?












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dude you've never even owned one.
so what, i borrowed one for 4 months when they first came out, Which is as good as owning one - and i know 5 guys who have owned them, only 2 of which still do have one.

Anyway, I've had both. I got rid of the Xpression for the G major and have never looked back. I had a long thing typed out but I know it'll just get bashed by poeple like this dude ^^^^^ that hasnt ever owned one before. wrong

So, the issues mentioned with the G major are easly resolved. Keep it in a rack and make sure the levels are are set correctly. I have absolutly NO tone colouration at all. no tonal colouration does not even exist, which proves you have no idea what you're talking about. 1 cable from guitar to amp will add some colouration, choosing another cable will add a different colouration. There is no escaping it. It all depends on WHAT colour it adds, and how much of that colour it adds, tying in with weather you like that colour or not. the colouration the Gmajor adds is undesirable, especially in comparison to the Xpression or any other line of rocktron products. the AD/DA converters in the Gmajor are cheap chinese crap.

My amp has an effects loop switch that completly bypasses the loop and I used that to test the difference. None, except my unruley preamp noise is gone with the g major becuase of the gate. its good that you have a bypass switch, which makes the colouration of the Gmajor a non-issue when you want your signal dry, I have that too, and also use it for comparisons (and came to my conclusion based on that, I’ve always ran a switcher regardless that so even in the old days I could deplete it from the signal chain) but most people do not have that luxury. But regardless of that fact, when it is on when you want it to be, its still has an unsatisfactory level of undesirable colouration

The rocktron is still good but you cant utilize all it's features without experiencing delays when switching presets. id be interested to know what quality midi controller you are using, and your midi signal chain

[Donting101]

I do appreciate the feedback from everyone. It does appear that the "tone coloration" reports might be from setting levels poorly, as clipping a digital input WILL give you bad sound. that may be the case with some people who don't know what they're doing, but not all. i don't have any problems setting up the gain and input levels to the optimum output (the correct way) so you get minimal interference, its not rocket science. you will always hear that excuse on both sides *it doesn't sound so good when bypassed it colours the tone, and when its in use it adds something not quite right and i prefer the sound of my pedals* the answer from the uninformed will always be *you're setting it up wrong, you've got your levels wrong* - while that may be correct in the case of a n00b its certainly not correct for someone who knows what they're doing, but just doesn't like the quality of the effects or AD/DA converters.

I never even knew about the Intellifex. That's VERY intriguing, I might have to get one of those. they have some of the best chorus and flange effects going. even people with massive racks filled with top gear still have one of those in their rigs

The reason I said I'd have to get the Behringer controller is because its the only one I know of in the price range that has an amp relay to control my E530. I'm not buying the ENGL Midi interface and rackmount unit. Also, when I say internal power supply, I mean that it has a regular power cable like my amps do. At least according to MusiciansFriend pictures. yeah i know the behringer has the relays on it, and would be required if you were on a budget, which is why i suggested the replifex for example - same quality effects as the Xpression and same hardware, but it also has the relay same as the Gmajor, so you can switch your amp channels.

you won't find many bad reviews (if any) overal of the replifex or intelifex. they are work horses, no bullshit

[Matt Parsons]

Sweet. I'll get one of those then. Thanks!

What is the difference between the Replifex/Intellifex/Xpression? Are they the same unit with different names? Is the Replifex the only one with the relay?

[Pushead]

Without reading the rest of the thread, I'll make my observations on my G-major:

I don't notice much tonal coloration. No more than two pedals in front of an amp, anyway. I've never had a reliability problem with mine in terms of how it works. I have had problems with the knobs adjusting values. I've found that I prefer to use a midi link to my PC and a third party software platform to adjust and back up my settings anyway. I'm happy with mine, and am thinking about buying a second to use with my single rec head.


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pic of the 3rd party software app

[Donting101]

What is the difference between the Replifex/Intellifex/Xpression? Are they the same unit with different names? Is the Replifex the only one with the relay?

to sum up really quickly the intellifex is geared towards the studio tones more, and has a slightly different chorus and reverb effects - better and a lot more sort after than the xpression or the replifex - there are other differences too but they are quite minimal. the xpression and the replfex are almost exactly the same in every way other than the chassis on the replfex is black and the xpression as the modern looking one, and the phaser is voiced differently. they are both geared to be programmed like stomp boxes, nothing too complex. the replifex has the addition of the relay and the more sort after flange and phaser sounds.

if course you can only buy the replfex and inteli used

they are very much no nonsense effects which are simple to set up and sound good - the hardware is high quality and the AD/DA conversions are some of the best on the market


when things get over-complicated while using cheap components (g-major) thats when you start to have the software problems, and of course hardware problems.

[Matt Parsons]

I only plan on buying used anyway.

Thanks! I'll be picking up a Replifex ASAP then...

[Donting101]

Noice

my replifex is 15 years old, and functions the same as the day it came out of the box.

they don't make things the way they used to :p

[Strange]

This has been very enlightening.

Up until now I've been trying to decide between the Line 6 M13 (whenever it is released), the TC Nova system, and a G-Major (if I decided to go in a more rack-oriented direction), but I had similar concerns as Matt regarding the tone and reliabiliy of the G Major and by extension the Nova system as well. The Line 6 unit seems really cool in theory, but while I've gone back and forth about a patch based syustem vs a more "Stompbox" type setup, I'm currently leaning more towards patches to avoid unnecessary tap-dancing.

Hey Donting, how are the delays on the Intelliflex/Repliflex?

[gorsch]

cool man, what ever, different strokes for different folks. I didnt mean to get your blood boiling. I also didnt go as far as bashing your knowledge or anything, but hey what ever. I just dont consider someones opinion valid unless they've had time really dial everything in. Thats all. I liked to Xpression. I only got the TC becuase I didnt want to buy another gate for the loop. I found it easier to get what I was looking for in the TC as well. Thats it. I just really only have 1 bad thing to say about both unit's. Tc's support sucks, and the Xpression just wasnt vibing. If the G major goes down, I'll through in the Xpression.

And with the Replifex and Intelifex, I would rather have either of them over the Xpression. I just like to new as opposed to used.

[Piney Hills Music]

i didnt think that the Gmajor was supposed to color your tone, I thought that it was SUPPOSED to be transparent...

damn sales reps

[chevy Z 302]

i'd agree with donting on this one

lexicon makes good stuff too, although a little more expensive than the gmaj's and such


depending on your budget, which you've said your getting used but i'll say it anyway, you can get Gforce's for ~600 used. I passed one onto sean and then i found one (somewhat) locally on craigslist.

just a stupid fyi

[Matt Parsons]

$600 is about 3x my price range. Thanks for the suggestion though!

[Matt Parsons]

i didnt think that the Gmajor was supposed to color your tone, I thought that it was SUPPOSED to be transparent...

damn sales reps

You can't trust people that are trying to sell you stuff! :p

[gorsch]

i didnt think that the Gmajor was supposed to color your tone, I thought that it was SUPPOSED to be transparent...

damn sales reps

i think it is transparent.

[Matt Parsons]

i think it is transparent.

What rig are you running it with?

[gorsch]

What rig are you running it with?

5150II. Thats it

[Matt Parsons]

5150II. Thats it

What guitar, cabling, etc.?

[martijua]

thats an example of where the term tone deaf comes from :p

I'll admit it.....not everyone is as good as dialing in gear as I am.......:eek:


:lol

[gorsch]

What guitar, cabling, etc.?

sorry, EC1000 with JB. Cables are all monster, no I dont pay full price for them. That would be stupid. Effects is just G major in loop, front end are just wah and NS2. KISS factor. Keep it simple stupid.

[Donting101]

Hey Donting, how are the delays on the Intelliflex/Repliflex? not as easy to program in as compared to some other units, its more mathematical (which can be good or or bad depending on what you're into and your patience level) - its designed to be extremely comprehensive but can be a bit complex at first. which is why i always run a tap-tempo from my midi controller. i don't get into complex or extremely precise delays... which this thing is capable of if you want it. the delay sounds though are very good

i didnt think that the Gmajor was supposed to color your tone, I thought that it was SUPPOSED to be transparent...

damn sales reps nothing is totally transparent, nothing at all. he's a complete liar

i think it is transparent. you're lying too. or you're just plane wrong

there are different levels of transparency, but nothing will ever be totally transparent, even the most top of the line gear. any expert will tell you the same


i'd agree with donting on this one

lexicon makes good stuff too, although a little more expensive than the gmaj's and such
very true. their verbs and delays are excellent, as are most of their sounds - but the editing and functioning tends to gear more towards the studio musician as the programming regarding reverbs etc is very detailed and not very 'on the fly' as is the more guitar specific stuff like gmajor etc. they do make low end stuff but its not highly regarded, even in comparison to the gmajor and so forth. but everyone with a very big rack usually has 1 piece of high end lexicon gear in their for that very special 1 off reverb or filtered sound :p

[Donting101]

cool man, what ever, different strokes for different folks. I didnt mean to get your blood boiling. you didn't, at all. I also didnt go as far as bashing your knowledge or anything, but hey what ever.yes you did I just dont consider someones opinion valid unless they've had time really dial everything in. Thats all. 4 months is plenty of time. more than plenty. i can gather everything i need about a product like that in a day, as can most people on these boards.

[Strange]

not as easy to program in as compared to some other units, its more mathematical (which can be good or or bad depending on what you're into and your patience level) - its designed to be extremely comprehensive but can be a bit complex at first. which is why i always run a tap-tempo from my midi controller. i don't get into complex or extremely precise delays... which this thing is capable of if you want it. the delay sounds though are very good


Cool. Good to know. Thanks much!

[martijua]

nothing is totally transparent, nothing at all. he's a complete liar

you're lying too. or you're just plane wrong



Why are you being such a dick to these guys?

If its transparent to his ears....then YOU ARE WRONG....now stop acting like prick!


:hat

[Donting101]

Why are you being such a dick to these guys?

If its transparent to his ears....then YOU ARE WRONG....now stop acting like prick!


:hat


I’m not being a dick to them what so ever, I’m just stopping people from being tricked into thinking something that is a fucking LIE dude. NOTHING IS TRANSPARENT - NEVER, even the most expensive piece of kit in existance. It NEVER WILL BE unless it made of thin air. You go and find me once piece of kit where the company or builder actually says the unit is 'totally transparent or 100% transparent'. you won't find it because if they did then you would find the gear community up in arms. the Even using a different power adaptor will change your tone, YOU may not hear it but there WILL be a change. So please fuck off with your personal insults if you can't join into the civilized conversation

[Matt Parsons]

Donting, calm down :lol If something works for someone, then that's fine.

I'll personally take the Replifex as it has the best parts about the G Major and the Xpression, as well as being cheaper.

[martijua]

I’m not being a dick to them what so ever, I’m just stopping people from being tricked into thinking something that is a fucking LIE dude. NOTHING IS TRANSPARENT - NEVER, even the most expensive piece of kit in existance. It NEVER WILL BE unless it made of thin air. You go and find me once piece of kit where the company or builder actually says the unit is 'totally transparent or 100% transparent'. you won't find it because if they did then you would find the gear community up in arms. the Even using a different power adaptor will change your tone, YOU may not hear it but there WILL be a change. So please fuck off with your personal insults if you can't join into the civilized conversation

Many many many great guitarist, tone snobs, and internet forum peeps use the word TRANSPARENT.
No one is anal about the word (except you) or has a problem when anyone uses the word to describe what in their opinion is a TRANSPARENT piece of gear.

The gear community doesnt get sand in their vagina every time some guitarist uses the word TRANSPARENT to describe anything...
thats being a bit too drama queen if you know what i mean.

Transparent is a subjective term when being used to describe gear....not some literal anal term.
But I'm sure your already knew that.

[Donting101]

Donting, calm down If something works for someone, then that's fine. i don't have a single problem with anything working for anyone lol, i dont understand why people can't see my message: all i care about is when people start lying, as thats what is being done in this thread. all of those phrases ie 'it is utterly / totally / 100% / completely / etc, transparent' - is not a true statement. its a FACT that it is not, as nothing is. weather an individual can tell the difference[i] or not is not the issue, i couldn't give a shit if they can hear the difference between different batteries alla eric johnson or not tell if someone sticks a hunk of cow shit into their effects loop - thats not the point. weather its someone opinion or not that something is '100% transparent', again, it doesn't matter - because its NOT regardless of what they think. if the statement was: [i]'this unit sounds very transparent to my ears' - then thats a fair statement because thats what they are hearing; but to say that 'it is a 100% totally transparent unit when set up correctly' is a complete lie

[Donting101]

Then stop being anal. no

Many many many great guitarist, tone snobs, and internet forum peeps use the word TRANSPARENT. yeah they do - BUT THEY USE IT IN THE CORRECT CONTEXT. they don't make up bullshit inncorrect statements with it. if they did then they would be called out on it... like RIGHT NOW

No one is anal about the word (except you) or has a problem when anyone uses the word to describe what in their opinion is a TRANSPARENT piece of gear. yes they do. you just don't post in those forums because you have no interest in that level of information. there IS NO SUCH THING AS A TOTALLY TRANSPARENT PIECE OF GEAR

ok a quote from probably the top builder of the highest end audio gear for guitar regarding the GRX4 router:


Includes the same high quality Op-Amp based buffer circuit that is in our BS2 Buffer/Splitter which is both low-noise and musical. Don’t let other’s try to deceive you, nothing is transparent !!!


enough??


The gear community doesnt get sand in their vagina every time some guitarist uses the word TRANSPARENT to describe anything... yeah they would if they were using it in a false statement like in this thread


Transparent is a subjective term when being used to describe gear....not some literal anal term.its subjective if used in line with the phrase 'IN MY OPINION this unit is quite transparent, or very transparent' and 'to my ears' - but if the whole phrase describes a piece of gear as 'totally transparent', then regardless of the opinion or not - in reality it is not totally transparent, the user just can't hear the difference - which is the users problem! nobody elses!

[martijua]

I just searched for the "100%", "100" and "totally" and the only person using that term is you.

Its pretty obvious that when some one says something that its there opinion. I dont see why you get your panties in a bunch when some states their opinion and doesnt say "to my ears" or "imo"....of coarse its their opinion and their ears they are talking about. Do you really think people are to stupid to figure that out?

Dont be such a douche.......to my ears :lol

[Donting101]

Its pretty obvious that when some one says something that its there opinion. I dont see why you get your panties in a bunch when some states their opinion and doesnt say "to my ears" or "imo"....of coarse its their opinion and their ears they are talking about. Do you really think people are to stupid to figure that out? its even on this same damn page...



i didnt think that the Gmajor was supposed to color your tone, I thought that it was SUPPOSED to be transparent...

damn sales reps

the sales rep TOLD HIM IT WAS - which is a lie! of course its going to fucking colour your tone, its an effects unit. the sales rep lied to him

and someone directly responded to that with:

i think it is transparent.

i think its very transparent would be an opinion - but to say that it is transparent, totally transparent which he has been saying all along in this thread - is not true. nothing is totally transparent, as stated for the 1000th time. So all I’m doing is making sure that a potential buyer doesn't come in this thread and believe that this unit is a completely transparent unit, when it isn’t, it doesn't exist. Weather you think I’m being anal or not isnt an issue, its not your damn problem. he might be anal about his tone same as me or chev or many others in this forum, so it would be unfair for him to be fooled into thinking something that isnt true because a clueless sales rep told him, then for it to be backed up by another user here. but as i say, its not your problem so i don't know why you feel the need to butt in

[martijua]

I think it is transparent

.......that is an opinion.
If you cant figure that out then........then you're dumber than I thought!

You're losing it man!

[Donting101]

you still don't get it do you


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is that an opinion? the answer is yes; that is an opinion

but is my opinion WRONG about the sky being red in that pic??

YES OF COURSE IT IS. because its fucking BLUE not red, regardless of what my opinion is on the matter

same applies to what we are talking about in this thread. now if you can't figure out that it is basically saying the same thing, then YOU are dumber than i thought

[martijua]

I think you'll have to do better and try harder than looking at a blue sky and saying its red...dont you think?

But I guess when all you have is your opinion versus some one elses on something that is 100% subjective....well, you really cant do much....can you?

Try it!!! Prove it to me and 1000's of other guitarist on the internet!!!

Must suck to not be able to prove your point.....err...opinion.

See, the thing about my opinion is that I dont have to prove it.....
But you on the other hand....you are so anal that you will have to try!


Good luck:lol

[martijua]

donking,
If you are ever in San Antonio let me know and we can throw a jam and have some drinks.

After your ears get used to my rig....we'll do a blind test to see if you can tell when the gmajor is on, active in the loop, and when it isnt. I'm betting you wouldnt be able to tell as I can dial it in to sound pretty transparent...transparent enough that your ears wont be able to tell. Thats all that matters....not what is physically, electronically, scientifically possible.

[Donting101]

But I guess when all you have is your opinion versus some one elses on something that is 100% subjective....well, you really cant do much....can you?

Try it!!! Prove it to me and 1000's of other guitarist on the internet!!!

Must suck to not be able to prove your point.....err...opinion.

See, the thing about my opinion is that I dont have to prove it.....
But you on the other hand....you are so anal that you will have to try!


Good luck i think you'll find that its pretty much a fact of life that no effects units, pedals, cables, or anything else for that matter are transparent. and i can prove it quite easily:

the Gmajor and all digital effects contain electronics that the signal passes through, which convert the signal into digital, then back into analog. this will have an impact on the tone. no gear is going to be completely transparent. its not subjective that the gmajor has AD/DA converters in, thats a fact - and its a fact that no AD/DA converters on the market have 0 effect on your tone. i can hear the AD/DA conversion in the Gmajor because it uses cheaply made chinese chips which are always colouring

if you came to my house and i blind tested you of when my stuff was active in the loop then non-active, i'm 99% sure you also would not be able to tell the difference. i can tell the difference because i've been doing this for years and i know my amp so well that i know when something, whatever it is, is being added to the signal

but thats not what this is about - this is about someone saying that the unit is totally transparent - when it isnt, it cant be. it can be very transparent, or slightly transparent, but it can never be totally transparent. if someone thinks it sounds totally transparent to their ears, then as already noted - thats their ears, but its not a matter of fact, and its wrong to say that it is. its a lie and misleading

[martijua]

none of that matters if no one can tell the difference. You are preaching about facts of some coloration that you say must be there, has to be there...that absolutely must exists.....but even you wouldnt even be able to tell if I had my g major on or not and vice versa. If you cant hear it......for all intents and purposes it is transparent. Next time some one says that their gear is transparent....dont get sand all up your thong!

"totally transparent"
I still dont see who said that. I didnt read the whole thread...but I'll say it.....my G Major is totally transparent!!!! :eek:

Dont beleive me? Come on over and I'll prove it!!!

:rollin

[V]

wait, you can change channels on an amp with the intelliflex?

[Donting101]

wait, you can change channels on an amp with the intelliflex? no, replifex

[Donting101]

but even you wouldnt even be able to tell if I had my g major on or not and vice versa. If you cant hear it......for all intents and purposes it is transparent. Next time some one says that their gear is transparent....dont get sand all up your thong! this conversation is now over, as i can see you don't get it and you never will

[martijua]

People are going to believe their ears.....not some nerdy forum dork preaching white paper mumbo jumbo.

[Donting101]

whatever man, go back to your cave

[guitarsatbmusic]

I've had both, I prefer the Xpression, it seems somehow more "mature", like it's not trying to do anything but make a good tone better with wet effects, a no nonsense unit that expects you to ahve a good tone going in and is built with this expectation in mind. Just my $0.02

[Blake]

Shane, you ever encountered this delay in preset switching that the others have mentioned? I was all hot and bothered about the Xpression before but if its got some delay thing going on then I am totally turned off. :lol

[Donting101]

if its first in line in your midi chain after your midi controller you wont get delay problems. i've never had any delay at all on switching any effects units i've owned. any long series of midi connections causes lag, which is why most pro's use a midi distributor box

[gorsch]

wow, just wow. Opinions are opinions. I was just giving mine based on my experience. I'm far from a n00b but you dont know me and I dont really care. It's a forum. Congrats on being a successfull internet bully. Wow. I bashed your knowledge of this product only, not in general. From the sound of things, you do know what your talking about so I do apologize. But also according to your master opinions, none of the people that are using a g major know what were talking about. I know nothing is transparent but the difference isnt noticable, with either unit. Another funny thing is you have all bad to say about 1 product and all good about the other. I'm giving the good and bad of each. Like I said if my G major went down I would use my Xpression. Anyway, I'm done with this one.

[Donting101]

so many incorrect things you've said about my posts i can't even be bothered, but i'm no 'internet bully' you just don't know me or the way i post because you have not been here very long. but apart from i just can't stand this:Another funny thing is you have all bad to say about 1 product and all good about the other. I'm giving the good and bad of each. i did fuckin give good and bad of each, right at the start



G Major
Advantages:
-- Has an amp relay switch so I can control amp channels
-- Cooler looking face plate (IYO)
-- Can be used with any midi controller in the world
-- Internal power supply (So it powers itself by magic? Or do you mean it can directly spur off your power distributor via a 3 pin kettle lead?)

Disadvantages
-- Lots of reliability complaints
-- "Colors tone" in a bad way. (due to the poor AD/DA converters, as per most TC electronics products)


Xpression
-Advantages
-- Cheaper on eBay
-- Doesn't color tone apparently (it has better AD/DA converters, rocktron use some of the best on the market)
-- Less reliability issues (never heard of any reliability issues)
-- sounds better than the G-major

-Disadvantages
-- old style ‘digital clock’ display, not very attractive
-- No amp relays, so..
-- I have to use the Behringer FCB1010 pedal (no you don’t)
-- Chrome doesn't look nearly as cool. (IYO)
-- Wall wart AC adapter (not nessesarily)


You could try the rocktron Intelifex or Replifex – which are exactly the same effects processors inside as the Xpression, just with a new style chassis

Intelifex or Replifex
-Advantages
-- has a TRS relay to switch your amp channels
-- can be used with any midi controller
-- Cheaper on eBay (you can pick them up mint for $150/$200
-- Doesn't color tone (it has better AD/DA converters, rocktron use some of the best on the market)
-- Less reliability issues (never heard of any reliability issues)
-- black chassis, as (IYO) its better than chrome
-- sounds better than the G-major

-Disadvantages
-- old style ‘digital clock’ display, not very attractive


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what more do you want? it wasnt until you started coming in making comments on what i said and coming out with incorrect phrases that caused any problems

[martijua]

Originally Posted by Donting101

-- Doesn't color tone apparently (it has better AD/DA converters, rocktron use some of the best on the market)

-- Doesn't color tone (it has better AD/DA converters, rocktron use some of the best on the market)



LIAR LIAR LIAR !!!!

EVERYTHING COLORS TONE!
Your ears must suck balls or you dont know what hell you are talking about!!!

LMAO!!! http://home.satx.rr.com/dannym/rofl.gif

[Donting101]

LIAR LIAR LIAR !!!!

EVERYTHING COLORS TONE!
Your ears must suck balls or you dont know what hell you are talking about!!!

LMAO!!! http://home.satx.rr.com/dannym/rofl.gif

erm... my comments are the ones in the brackets, the --*incert's* are matts, not mine. my comment in regards to his 'doesnt color tone' was as i stated, that the rocktron has better AD/DA converters - i didnt state if it did or didnt you fool, so go back and read the thread, jesus christ man when will you stop tripping over your own laces?

[gorsch]

sorry dude? I still dont see what was incorrect about my statements on the gear, yes nothing is transparent, other that that it was all opinions. you did list goods and bads so my bad, but they were kinda 1 sided. And I also didnt stoop as low as insulting you personally. I said you've never owned a g major. Without knowing you personally that would lead me to believe your going by what you've heard or had minimal experience with. Now that I feel you do know gear I would respect your OPINION but still not feel that yours is better than anyone else's. There isnt a right or wrong opinion. Your pushing that your is right, arent you?

[martijua]

wow, just wow. Opinions are opinions. I was just giving mine based on my experience. I'm far from a n00b but you dont know me and I dont really care. It's a forum. Congrats on being a successfull internet bully. Wow.




He's no internet bully.....just some one who likes to repeat things he's read about but that his very own ears wouldnt be able to notice or discern.

Kinda reminds me about how he used to talk alot about work out stuff.....so I thought he was into being fit....then I saw his pics......he must of just read about how to be fit :p

He also apparently has a problem understanding that just about everything posted with regards to tone, color, transparency, gear, etc....is a persons own opinion unless that poster states that it is their opinion by saying "IMO" or "to my ears". http://home.satx.rr.com/dannym/gay.gif

I like posting just to make him dissect every post into muti-quotes so that he can try and try and try to get us to believe that we should not believe what our ears tell us. I dont really care what he thinks about gear in general. I just chimed in cause it seemed like he was being a prick....so I had reach back like a pimp and slap the ho :hat Plus its a fun way to waste time cause obviously no one cares if its theoretically, scientifically or physically impossible to have any piece of gear that is transparent......except him! :lol

When its all said an done.....me and a bunch of other guitarist can still dial in some gear so that its transparent. He'll post some crap about how we dont know what we are talking about or that our ears suck cause there is no possible way that it could be transparent....even though his ears wouldnt be able to tell the difference in a blind test.

If you are going to try and correct 100's of guitarist, call them liars, and blab on about how something is impossible....you should at least be able to hear and point out the difference every single time.

[gorsch]

He's no internet bully.....just some one who likes to repeat things he's read about but that his very own ears wouldnt be able to notice or discern.

Kinda reminds me about how he used to talk alot about work out stuff.....so I thought he was into being fit....then I saw his pics......he must of just read about how to be fit :p

He also apparently has a problem understanding that just about everything posted with regards to tone, color, transparency, gear, etc....is a persons own opinion unless that poster states that it is their opinion by saying "IMO" or "to my ears". http://home.satx.rr.com/dannym/gay.gif

I like posting just to make him dissect every post into muti-quotes so that he can try and try and try to get us to believe that we should not believe what our ears tell us. I dont really care what he thinks about gear in general. I just chimed in cause it seemed like he was being a prick....so I had reach back like a pimp and slap the ho :hat Plus its a fun way to waste time cause obviously no one cares if its theoretically, scientifically or physically impossible to have any piece of gear that is transparent......except him! :lol

When its all said an done.....me and a bunch of other guitarist can still dial in some gear so that its transparent. He'll post some crap about how we dont know what we are talking about or that our ears suck cause there is no possible way that it could be transparent....even though his ears wouldnt be able to tell the difference in a blind test.

If you are going to try and correct 100's of guitarist, call them liars, and blab on about how something is impossible....you should at least be able to hear and point out the difference every single time.

yeah, really not worried. I'm happy with my tone and all the colouring or lack of colouring the G major gives. I know my rig sounds the same with the loop bypassed or engaged, and it was the same with the Xpression. Actually the same when I just plug direct guitar to input of the amp as well. To me that means both units are transparent.


Anyway, I hope the dude that made this thread got something usfull outta it other than having to hear bickering about how our opinions are wrong and the great experiences we've had with our G majors are wrong. After all he would know about our experiences.

[chevy Z 302]

you may not like donting or whatever, but the dude knows what he's talking about. One of the few, and i mean few, who does on this board.

[martijua]

One of the "few" ? Really?
He hasn't said anything that I or many others didn't already know.

[gorsch]

I do think he knows his shit, and I too know my shit. And if I dont then I ask someone who does. But what he's giving is his opinion based on his experience with the product, and he's saying that our opinions based on our experiences are wrong. And the reference to the red sky thing was way off. I truly think both products are good for the money. I didnt have any "Bad" colouration with either unit. I found that I had some things I didnt like about the Xpression so i bought the G major. It seemed to fit me more. Just like he preferes the older Rocktron units. I actually do too when compaired to the Xpression. I just try to by new.

I'm actually more pissed that we got off to a bad start. It was probably my comment about him bashing it. Sorry, my bad.

[Matt Parsons]

Well, I've had the Xpression for a few weeks.

It DOES color your tone. Not in a good way. It takes the quality of sound down from what an ENGL preamp into a VHT power should sound like and makes it sound like a Line 6 head.

And if I wanted that... well I'd've saved $1000 and just bought a Line 6 head.

The Xpression has the option that you can run the dry signal through an analog path, which reduces the tone coloration by quite a bit, but not transparent. However, if you do this, it bypasses the noise gate.

The Xpression is getting sold in favor of a G-Major or maybe a Replifex. Whichever I can get a better deal on.

[gorsch]

Well, I've had the Xpression for a few weeks.


The Xpression has the option that you can run the dry signal through an analog path, which reduces the tone coloration by quite a bit, but not transparent. However, if you do this, it bypasses the noise gate.



thats what I meant about not being able to use everything. Trust me bro, I was doing the same thing you are, about a year ago.





Still getting a ton of compliments on my lead tones each show. It's all G-major.

[Matt Parsons]

Haha. Yeah, once I sell the Xpression I'll probably pick up a G-Major. If that doesn't work I'll just get a rack noise gate and not deal with effects.

[gorsch]

Haha. Yeah, once I sell the Xpression I'll probably pick up a G-Major. If that doesn't work I'll just get a rack noise gate and not deal with effects.

If my gmajor crashed I'd buy another one. It's that simple. But, I've always considered doing the single pedals but having them all in a rack like the CAE switcher system, just the cheaper Vodoo Labs version. I would need too many pedals though. Then you got more cables involved for each loop that could go wrong plus power supplies. Still a pain in the ass.


off subject sorta but I'm getting some serious gas on that Engl pre amp you got. Considering doing a rack rig next simply because I havent yet. I'd be different to me. The power amps a some serious $$$$ though. Actually my new bass player uses the same VHT as you, yes for bass. It sounds HUGE! Carvin makes one thats pretty cheap. But I'm affraid to go the cheap route on a power amp. But Carvin has a good rep and can stay cheap becuase they cut out the Sam Ash's and musiciansfriends of the world.

[Matt Parsons]

If my gmajor crashed I'd buy another one. It's that simple. But, I've always considered doing the single pedals but having them all in a rack like the CAE switcher system, just the cheaper Vodoo Labs version. I would need too many pedals though. Then you got more cables involved for each loop that could go wrong plus power supplies. Still a pain in the ass.


off subject sorta but I'm getting some serious gas on that Engl pre amp you got. Considering doing a rack rig next simply because I havent yet. I'd be different to me. The power amps a some serious $$$$ though. Actually my new bass player uses the same VHT as you, yes for bass. It sounds HUGE! Carvin makes one thats pretty cheap. But I'm affraid to go the cheap route on a power amp. But Carvin has a good rep and can stay cheap becuase they cut out the Sam Ash's and musiciansfriends of the world.

Carvin can stay cheap because they make cheap shit. They don't make a super nice product and then sell for less because they sell direct, they make a cheap product and reap the profits of selling direct.

The 2/90/2 would make a great bass power amp. It is ABSURDLY tight and has a ton of low end on tap.

Don't cheap out and buy a cheap power amp. 1/2 of your tone comes from your power section. Get a used VHT 2/50/2 or 2/90/2... you will be very pleased.

[Donting101]

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