SV's in the US

[Polish_Samurai]

Can you custom order SV's of any kind in the US?

[Det Brinnande Röda]

don't believe u can

[Polish_Samurai]

Any of the pros out there know for sure? And what about gibson style v's?

[guitarsatbmusic]

In the US, no, and no to Gibson style

[Polish_Samurai]

Man that totally sucks...:x

[ZephMan13]

^ Thats what she said

[MikeC]

There's the US SV's you can custom order. I just got my quote back for mine.

[sixxpounder]

dont like the US shape

[Klesk]

There's the US SV's you can custom order. I just got my quote back for mine.

those arent SVs.

[shakeESP]

^ Well if the "S" stands for "Shit" then maybe....

Only joking! :p

No you can't get SV's order a Gibson V shape in the US, coz of lawsuits from Jackson and Gibson. Unless you can find a dealer over seas who is willing to order your guitar and ship it to you, which may be a tad difficult and very expensive.

-Chris

[Det Brinnande Röda]

said so

[SV Standard]

^ Well if the "S" stands for "Shit" then maybe....

Only joking! :p

No you can't get SV's order a Gibson V shape in the US, coz of lawsuits from Jackson and Gibson. Unless you can find a dealer over seas who is willing to order your guitar and ship it to you, which may be a tad difficult and very expensive.

-Chris

Squier is copy of Fender, ESP is copy of everything :rollin

[chevy Z 302]

fender owns squier

oh noez

:rolleyes:

[ESPNAZI]

dude theres a whole bunch of fukking models you cant order, fukk

[espmetal24782]

you can get the SV in the US as a custom only, and this is from ESP,through the ESP myspace, "You can order a custom ANYTHING in the US. The important word there is custom. We do not sell the SV at all here as a standard model."

[MikeC]

And where did you find out this information?

[ShreddyMcFunTits]

you can get the SV in the US as a custom only, and this is from ESP,through the ESP myspace, "You can order a custom ANYTHING in the US. The important word there is custom. We do not sell the SV at all here as a standard model."

You, my friend, are a liar and a thief.

[AsherTKK]

You, my friend, are a liar and a thief.

i get the liar bit... but why a thief?

[espmetal24782]

where do i lie and how am i a theif?

[espmetal24782]

And where did you find out this information?
through ESP's myspace, anyone who wants to know could shoot ESP an email, and, by the by, they sent me another email, and, by my understanding, the SV would be priced as a custom shape

[guitarsatbmusic]

through ESP's myspace, anyone who wants to know could shoot ESP an email, and, by the by, they sent me another email, and, by my understanding, the SV would be priced as a custom shape

Incorrect in the extreme

[espmetal24782]

Incorrect in the extreme

whats incorect? seeing as how your in Australia, i wouldnt expect you to know the priceings in the US, even if you are a dealer

[xchumfiestax]

this has nothing to do with the price

in the US you can get a USA Alexi shape through the custom shop, but not an SV

[MikeC]

Yeah I didn't think it could happen..
Does ESP even maintain the ESP myspace?

[espmetal24782]

i asked ESP! you can get the true SV shape as a custom guitar! and i know some one will say they can get sued. but, Fender/Jackson cant sue ESP for a one of a kind custom guitar, and by the way, look at the custom shop overview on the site, "The ESP Guitar Company believes that the process of creating a personalized guitar should be an easy one. We understand that players’ needs are different, and this should be represented by the shapes, materials, electronics and finishes available from the Custom Shop. These options allow you to take your wildest ideas and turn them into reality, along with the help of the world’s most respected and experienced luthiers and graphic artists. You can start with any original ESP shape, or come up with a brand new idea of your own to start the creative process.

Your very own customized guitar or bass can have any design, any combination you can imagine; unique finishes, graphics, inlays and more... Your dream of owning a one-of-a-kind instrument can now become a reality."

[espmetal24782]

Yeah I didn't think it could happen..
Does ESP even maintain the ESP myspace?

im pretty sure they do

[guitarsatbmusic]

The reason I DO know you can't get them in the US is BECAUSE I'm from Australia. How many people you think write to me wanting to try and get one after exhausting every single thing they can think of Stateside? It doesn't happen, and we don't ship them there for the same reasons.

[xchumfiestax]

Your very own customized guitar or bass can have any design, any combination you can imagine; unique finishes, graphics, inlays and more... Your dream of owning a one-of-a-kind instrument can now become a reality."

Yeah, so long as it doesn't infringe on another company's copyrights :rolleyes:

We've been over this so many times dude

[espmetal24782]

this isnt a SV standard though, we are talking CUSTOM, personal specs, all that good stuff, i understand the reasons you cant go buy one from guitar center or something, but you CAN order a full blown custom, and speaking about copyright infringement, does the ron wood model not look EXACTLY like a tele SH, aside from the headstock?

[xchumfiestax]

then it would stand to reason that you could get a gibson style v in the US through the custom shop.


no dice

[espmetal24782]

sence technicly the SV is an ESP origanal, with the tummy cut, the access cut, and being beveld diffrently, you can buy a custom one

[xchumfiestax]

this isnt a SV standard though, we are talking CUSTOM, personal specs, all that good stuff, i understand the reasons you cant go buy one from guitar center or something, but you CAN order a full blown custom, and speaking about copyright infringement, does the ron wood model not look EXACTLY like a tele SH, aside from the headstock?

if I remember correctly, fender only has a copyright on the headstock

[espmetal24782]

if I remember correctly, fender only has a copyright on the headstock

really? looks to me like they have the full thing copyrighted, from what i can tell from the copyright office

[guitarsatbmusic]

this isnt a SV standard though, we are talking CUSTOM, personal specs, all that good stuff, i understand the reasons you cant go buy one from guitar center or something, but you CAN order a full blown custom, and speaking about copyright infringement, does the ron wood model not look EXACTLY like a tele SH, aside from the headstock?


You can't get one in the USA, custom ordered or otherwise. End of story. And yes, Fender has TM over the headstock.

[espmetal24782]

no, not end of story, i asked, i got the answer that yes you can, FROM ES-FUCKING-P!

[D-EJ915]

where is the mod when we need him

[guitarsatbmusic]

no, not end of story, i asked, i got the answer that yes you can, FROM ES-FUCKING-P!
OK mate, believe what you will. So where's your SV?

[MikeC]

Is there any way somebody here can contact ESP personally and get an answer straight from them. I hope the mod sees this too, maybe he has some answers. I don't know wether or not to dissagree with the guy, but both sides make a good point.

[guitarsatbmusic]

I'll tell you the answer now, absolutely. You can't, that IS end of story.

[MikeC]

Problem Solved

[ShreddyMcFunTits]

no, not end of story, i asked, i got the answer that yes you can, FROM ES-FUCKING-P!

Tool

[greekboy]

hahaha.

Here you go douchebag. READ the FAQ directly from ES-fucking-P



FAQs

CUSTOM SHOP

Can I order a custom guitar made to my own specifications?
Yes. We have been building custom-ordered guitars since we started and are highly regarded in the guitar industry as "The" Custom Guitar Company. As long as the guitar you want us to build meets our expectations for functionality and does not infringe on any copyright matters with any other guitar manufacturing company, we can custom build it for you. For a price quote on a custom order, fill out the custom order form on our website, or fax a custom order form to ESP at 818 506-1378. You may also contact an authorized ESP dealer to help you with this.

and here's a SPECIFIC model they CAN'T reproduce

Can I still order the old EXP body shape when ordering a custom ESP?
The body style of the old EXP was retired and a new body style was introduced in 2000. It is now known as the EX model. You may ONLY order the new EX body style - we cannot produce the old EXP shape

And since the SV IS copyright of Jackson they will NOT make you a custom shop if you order from North America

Problem Solved

[Pushead]

Jesus, is it that hard to make a friend in another country and have them ship a guitar to you? I've done it 5 times for people from items purchased stateside. I'll bet if you looked really hard, you could find someone that you don't piss off on the internet from Japan or another country that can get an SV and make friends with them.

[ESPNAZI]

although the sv is an original shape, but i believe it has to have a 33% difference from the RR .

[murtis]

i have an SV and the thread started doesnt





its coz u are in the US

[Red&Die]

I'll bet if you looked really hard, you could find someone that you don't piss off on the internet from Japan or another country that can get an SV and make friends with them.

:D

Ture, in Taiwan, we can get SV Standard and Horizon FR easily..

Anyone needs friend??? Hahaha...

[AlexiWildchild]

:D

Ture, in Taiwan, we can get SV Standard and Horizon FR easily..

Anyone needs friend??? Hahaha...

In Germany too. :p

[ShreddyMcFunTits]

In Britain too.

In fact anywhere which isn't the US or Canada.

[guitarsatbmusic]

although the sv is an original shape, but i believe it has to have a 33% difference from the RR .
It's not about "percentages"

[espmetal24782]

OK mate, believe what you will. So where's your SV?

lets look at this logically, if had multiple thousands of dollars to spend on a custom guitars, i would buy one, but seeing as how I'm a college student, i dont have anywhere close to that kind of money, hell if i just had a little more than a grand id go on ebay and pick up a E-RV-148

and, by the way heres a biiiig ass explanation from ESP: Let me be as clear as I can...

1. Yes, this MySpace page is run by ESP.

2. A custom is a CUSTOM. I can make it look like a dragon, or a sword, or a flying bat, or a car, or a spoon, or a platypus. If you went to our custom order page at espguitars.com (front page of the site, left side) and looked at the order form, you will see you can make a custom any way you want that we can build, which is nearly anything.

If you wanted to base your custom on the SV shape, it will be built in Japan in our custom shop just for you. It will also cost a lot of money, possibly in the tens of thousands of dollars. It will also take a long time, possibly 18 months - 3 years. We have a big backlog of customs that are being handmade as you read this.

SO: Again, the answer is this.

1. You cannot buy the SV shape in the USA as a standard model.

2. You can order ANY SHAPE from our custom shop as a 1-off custom guitar.

Is that totally, 100% clear? I don't know any better way to explain this.


want a screen shot? http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/espmetal24782/DIFFINITIVEPROOF.jpg

[guitarsatbmusic]

Based on the SV shape, NOT the SV shape. That is a generic type of repsonse you have there. If they're telling you otherwise someone has a lot of explaining to do

[Deadpulse]

we need the mod in here. (well actually we don't, but i don't think this guy will learn until he hears it from the mod)

[ShreddyMcFunTits]

lets look at this logically, if had multiple thousands of dollars to spend on a custom guitars, i would... and the rest of that shit nobody read

Fucking give up already, If it was possible we would say, "Yes you can get a Custom SV in the US" the only reason we haven't said this is because you can't.

[D-EJ915]

Do you actually have enough money to buy one anyway? Probably not, so nobody fucking cares.

[Det Brinnande Röda]

this dude is owned

[espmetal24782]

im waiting for any real fucking evidence, like i bring, i read that you can buy ANY ESP shape, which thusly INCLUDES the SV as a custom shop guitar, and yet that part gets ingnored, sence the SV IS an ESP shape, sence the only simularity it has to a rhoads is its pointy, and has one wing shorter than the other, but it IS an ESP shape, THUS you CAN custom order one

[Liromyc]

Go try and order one then you'll get your real fucking evidence!

[D-EJ915]

im waiting for any real fucking evidence, like i bring, i read that you can buy ANY ESP shape, which thusly INCLUDES the SV as a custom shop guitar, and yet that part gets ingnored, sence the SV IS an ESP shape, sence the only simularity it has to a rhoads is its pointy, and has one wing shorter than the other, but it IS an ESP shape, THUS you CAN custom order one
none of us care, go and cry with your mommy

[xchumfiestax]

Go try and order one then you'll get your real fucking evidence!

+1

Will someone please put the final nail in? :rolleyes:

[The Edge Of Darkness]

I saw plenty of ESP SV in Italy too, it's not that difficult to get ot ordered from a friend outside north America!

[ShreddyMcFunTits]

im waiting for any real fucking evidence, like i bring, i read that you can buy ANY ESP shape, which thusly INCLUDES the SV as a custom shop guitar, and yet that part gets ingnored, sence the SV IS an ESP shape, sence the only simularity it has to a rhoads is its pointy, and has one wing shorter than the other, but it IS an ESP shape, THUS you CAN custom order one

http://www.espguitars.com/support_faqs.html#14

Make sure you read the bit about the shape not being able to infringe copyright.

So that eliminates the following:

RR shaped V (aka the SV)
Gibson V
Gibson Explorer
Gibson Firebird
The Majority of BC Rich shapes (I think, don't hold me to that)
Fender headstock
and more

[JoeBender]

Wait... if you can't order a Gibson shaped V as a one off, custom order, then how did Kirk get his ESP Gibson look-alike Vs, how did Michael Amott have those Gibson looking Vs with the mirrored pickguards (before the Ninja), and how did Rob Flynn get that Flying V looking guitar he has...?

[xchumfiestax]

Wait... if you can't order a Gibson shaped V as a one off, custom order, then how did Kirk get his ESP Gibson look-alike Vs, how did Michael Amott have those Gibson looking Vs with the mirrored pickguards (before the Ninja), and how did Rob Flynn get that Flying V looking guitar he has...?

I think you've answered your own questions :lol

[JoeBender]

I think you've answered your own questions :lol

So... you can get a Gibson-styled V made as a custom then? :D

[xchumfiestax]

maybe if your name is kirk hammet...:(

[ShreddyMcFunTits]

They had them made before the Gibson lawsuit in 1999/2000 which was why they made the EX series because they couldn't produce the EXP outside Japan any more.

[JoeBender]

I see... I'm wondering then, why hasn't Dean Guitars been sued yet? If you look at their Dean Vs, and their Dean Zs, both look pretty much exactly like the Gibson shapes.

http://www.deanguitars.com/dean_winter_07/electrics/30thvmed.jpg

http://www.deanguitars.com/79series/z79.jpg

[xchumfiestax]

The folks at gibson must obviously have something against the japanese 8o

[JoeBender]

The folks at gibson must obviously have something against the japanese 8o

Lol, definitely seems like it!

I guess I can kiss my idea for a custom V good bye then...

[JoeBender]

Just to clarify once and for all, before I log off... I can't order a CUSTOM guitar with the body shaped like a Gibson V (even if it has a tummy cut bevel) if I'm in the US? And if not, I could if I were to place the order in Japan and have someone send it over for me?

[PT ESP]

I see... I'm wondering then, why hasn't Dean Guitars been sued yet? If you look at their Dean Vs, and their Dean Zs, both look pretty much exactly like the Gibson shapes.

http://www.deanguitars.com/dean_winter_07/electrics/30thvmed.jpg

http://www.deanguitars.com/79series/z79.jpg

Dean guitars, like many, many other guitar companies who make models very similar in shape to Gibson / Fender / Jackson etc have not been sued where ESP has because ESP's sales started to take off some years ago.

If someone makes a knock off, it's okay... until they start to sell big... then Gibson start to get worried... and then they start to get lawsuit happy.

[ShreddyMcFunTits]

I could if I were to place the order in Japan and have someone send it over for me?

You can't get a Japanease shop to get a custom for you and ship it overseas. ESP don't like dealers shipping their products being shipped overseas

You'd need someone who lives in Japan to order it for you and have them send it to you.

[JoeBender]

You can't get a Japanease shop to get a custom for you and ship it overseas. ESP don't like dealers shipping their products being shipped overseas

You'd need someone who lives in Japan to order it for you and have them send it to you.

Ah okay good, thats what I meant anyway. :)

[ßeckerƒan]

You can't get a Japanease shop to get a custom for you and ship it overseas. ESP don't like dealers shipping their products being shipped overseas.
Im sure ive seen plenty of guys here who have done just that. Its technically not allowed, but you can find a japanese dealer to do it if you look hard enough. But most guys here dont like to give up that information so you'll have to find one on your own.

[nwright]

Dean guitars, like many, many other guitar companies who make models very similar in shape to Gibson / Fender / Jackson etc have not been sued where ESP has because ESP's sales started to take off some years ago.

If someone makes a knock off, it's okay... until they start to sell big... then Gibson start to get worried... and then they start to get lawsuit happy.

Companies can make body designs that are really similar, but you have to have a certain amount of differences. Just by looking at the Dean's, I'd say they easily have those differences...Most notably, the headstocks, which could be a BIG factor as it is.

[ShreddyMcFunTits]

Im sure ive seen plenty of guys here who have done just that. Its technically not allowed, but you can find a japanese dealer to do it if you look hard enough. But most guys here dont like to give up that information so you'll have to find one on your own.

I know it's just alot easier to say you can't.

[zombieattack9]

this thread is of epic proportion!

[xchumfiestax]

this thread is of epic proportion!

We haven't even hit 10 pages yet :lol

[zombieattack9]

We haven't even hit 10 pages yet :lol


yeah, but I mean come on..4 pages for this old argument ? Shane , being the authority, shut it down, and yet it still rolls on..

epic proportion!:rollin

[guitarsatbmusic]

:eek: You guys still at it? :p
Zombie can give the answer with AMPLE authority too (read: first hand experience)

[espdegarmo]

drumcityguitarland.com has alexi's guitars for sale...hope this helps the arguement

[xchumfiestax]

nah dude

the USA alexi and the SV aren't the same shape

[zombieattack9]

:eek: You guys still at it? :p
Zombie can give the answer with AMPLE authority too (read: first hand experience)

Yep. No SV's in the USA.

I had to go with the USA shape (which I enjoy BTW), and I had Jason at DCGL confirm to a T with ESP at the time of my order that in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM would they supply me with a SV or RV shape. It just WILL NOT happen. I also re-confirmed with ESP this fact when the Dimmu Borgir SV custom was posted in the 2007 gallery alongside my green custom. I was again told, that was for an artist, and was NOT setting the standard for new USA orders.

As long as Jackson exists or maintains the copyright on the Randy Rhoads shape, there will be no SV guitars for normal people. Buck up and fly to whatever non-north american country you want and have at it.

[BigSillyGoose]

You can get SV's in the states now?

Nice!

[MikeC]

:rolleyes:

[BigSillyGoose]

What? You dont like SV's?

No one said you had to buy one.

[Jafis]

:rollin

[MikeC]

No, I just found it funny how Zombie explained how you can't get the standard SV shape in the states and how you can get the USA shape ONLY.. And BigSillyGoose's reply was quite irratating.

[Jafis]

No, I just found it funny how Zombie explained how you can't get the standard SV shape in the states and how you can get the USA shape ONLY.. And BigSillyGoose's reply was quite irratating.

Ok, what do you think the odds are that Goose was goofing around? He only does it on a daily basis around here you big fucking girl! :lol

[MikeC]

There is a good chance he was messing around. Esspecially considering this thread has gotten pointless after the first damn page.
There is also the chance that he was being serious, and possibly misunderstood what was said before by the previous poster.
I found it to be quite frustrating if he was being serious. I chose to just put a face icon instead of saying anything cause I knew one way or another somebody would put in there two cents either way.
If he was joking around then alright, if not then my previous reply was all that needed to be said.

[BigSillyGoose]

I accept your apology. Please be more careful in future.

[zombieattack9]

I really didnt think anything of it. I just chalked it up to being the ESP board :p

[ForYourDarkness]

We pray to thy mod who art whothefuckknowswhere.

Just a straight answer (no offense bmusic) from a mod would end all of this SV bullshit.

C'mon, captain mod.

[Scott]

Huh? This argument was settled a long time a go - mere mortals can not get an SV/RV in the US/Canada. /thread.

[k65h]

I guess my question is, why not just go buy a USA Jackson RR?
Damn fine guitars.

Another thought is if your price shopping and want specific things done to the model,
maybe check out Ran or Shamray Customshops.